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                          Abduction Digest, Number 63

                            Wednesday, May 27th 1992

     (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service.  All Rights Reserved.

Today's Topics:

                                Abduction Theory?
                                 Re: Traffic Jam
                                Re: Affect On Us
                              Re: Abduction Theory?
                                    New movie
                                    Intruders
                                    Abduction
                                  Re: Intruders
                                  Re: Intruders
                                     CUFOSJ
                              Re: Abduction Theory?
                                  Re: Intruders
                                Abduction Theory?
                                Re: I'm Baaack!!!
                                    Intruders

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From: [e-mail] (Pony Godic)
Subject: Abduction Theory?
Date: 16 May 92 22:12:00 GMT


The following is not an attempt at an actualy theory, but does
attempt to make sense of abductions by making some observations and
asking some questions that may not have been asked before.

As far as I know, no-one has looked at abductions within the context
of the current status of this planet.  The world is suffering
political turmoil and, certainly, this is a variation on the theme
that has stretched throughout our recorded history and before.
Nevertheless, there are elements in the current world situation that
have never existed before.  These are overpopulation resulting in the
environmental pressures of forest clearing and pollution of the air,
water and soil.

In this context, is it possible that aliens are monitoring us to
determine the impact of such factors on our physical and
reproductive as well as mental health?

Perhaps abductees are subject to charade type manipulations when they
are taken for examination.  Perhaps the seeming clumsiness of the
medical exam and the medical instruments used are nothing more than a
blind behind which samples are nevertheless taken and an ongoing
evaluation made.  If the subject should recall the abduction, then
their memories of cumbersome intruments and confusing alien
procedures would be considered implausible and so other explanations
would be sought.

Implants may seem the most unbelievable aspect of abductions, but
perhaps the implant the subject is shown, often theatrically, and
what is actually implanted are very different.  Surely, if an alien
race are sophisticated enough to cross space and get here, they are
sophisticated enough to have a very sound knowledge of our
technology. In old sci fi movies, knowledge of our language,
technology and social structure were explained rather quaintly by
alien intercepton of our radio and television transmissions.  Today,
I don't think it implausible to suggest the possibility of aliens
tapping into our computer networks.  If this is happening on an
ongoing basis, then aliens would know everything from the individual
defence status of each nation, to the current level of our medical
technology.  Armed with such knowledge, it may be possible to
implant sampling devices that could not be traced by our current
level of technology.

I draw your attention to nasal implants.  If you were interested in
determining the types and levels of impurities that we were inhaling
and measuring their impact on our physical health, then a nasal
implant would be the medium.  Of course, other implant sites occur,
but with the application of the above reasoning, they may all be
explainable.

If aliens are monitoring us in relation to the degredation of our
world environment, then they must have onworld bases.  I don't think
it implausible, when discussing something as wild as this, to suggest
that our deepest oceans would provide excellent sites.  On land,
there are deserts and both the poles. But, to move from place to
place, alien space ships would have to be invisible in all senses.
(Certain sightings do involve seemingly miraculous appearances and
disappearances.)  If aliens have the technology to get here, then
they may have the technology to render themselves invisible.

Assuming alien bases exist, and that our computer networks are
monitored from them, then surely aliens would possess very sound
knowledge on us.

But why?

Well, perhaps they are simply documenting our decline with the same
philosophical resignation as we document the decline of individual
species here on Earth.  Perhaps they are interested in whether the
pollution here is resulting in a downgrading in our fertility.  Or
perhaps they are interested in what reproductive mutations it will
lead to.  Perhaps abductees are not shown human/alien hybrids, but
reproductive experiments using mutated reproductive cells from male
and female humans.

One thing that would be explained by all of the above is the
phenomena of repeater abductees.  If you are monitoring, then you
would take individuals and examine them periodically.  If you wished
to determine the psychological impact of the decline of mother Earth
on humans, then perhaps you would show replays of fictional
catastrophies, relating that they were the result of
shortsightedness.

Of course, if we are being monitored, then maybe it's not entirely
dispassionate.  Perhaps the aliens are trying to determine whether or
when they would intervene.

I'm not saying that I believe any of the above and certainly realize
that all I'm doing is exercising my imagination and stretching your
credibility. Nevertheless, the above would fit the "facts" and, in
the spirit of intelligent debate, I invite discussion.

--
Pony Godic - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: [e-mail] (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: Traffic Jam
Date: 15 May 92 03:40:00 GMT


 JW> When you log on next just select the Odyssey UFO Database; they're
 JW> stored in there.  Got about 50 of the 400+ re-entered.

Jer, would it be possible to put the new sightings for the UFO database
into a special file that TIC could send to me on a weekly basis?
Entering them in a message area will not allow me to add them to my
listing.
And, the first time, I would just as soon download the whole thing to
make sure I am not missing any.

THanks in advance.


--jah

... Turn Your 386 into an XT ... Use Windows!

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Abduction Theory?
Date: 17 May 92 15:11:00 GMT

In a message to All <05-16-92 15:12> Pony Godic wrote:

PG>  Perhaps abductees are subject to charade type manipulations when they
PG>  are taken for examination.  Perhaps the seeming clumsiness of the
PG>  medical exam and the medical instruments used are nothing more than a
PG>  blind behind which samples are nevertheless taken and an ongoing
PG>  evaluation made.  If the subject should recall the abduction, then
PG>  their memories of cumbersome intruments and confusing alien
PG>  procedures would be considered implausible and so other explanations
PG>  would be sought.

That's something I've believed for a long time. If I were investigating a
planet, and I was under strict orders not to make myself known or interfere
with its development, AND I knew I had to potchkey somewhat with the
natives, AND I knew I couldn't completely erase their memory of the
experience, I would do the next best thing: flood them with disinformation.
Create a scenario in their minds that was so implausible that when they got
around to telling their story to the masses, no one would believe them. I
think the entire genetic engineering charade is just that - an intricate
mask for their real purposes. What those are, I wouldn't even presume to
guess.

Jim

--
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From: bcstec.ca.boeing.com!kuryakin
Subject: New movie
Date: 21 May 92 23:16:29 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Rick Pavek)

I'll apologise in advance if this doesn't pan out, but it seems like
there might be enough story here to make the topic...

For the last two weeks they (20th Century Fox) have been filming a
Kiefer Sutherland/Jeff&Beau Bridges movie called Vanishings.

Don't know much about the plot other than it deals with a
Gas Station/Food Mart of the _Titan_ chain and the disappearence of
a man's wife and son.  The vague things I hear are that Jeff Bridges is
the bad guy, Kiefer Sutherland is the good guy and his wife and son are
kidnapped somehow.  One scene has the wife/son walking out of the store
with Kiefer about 10 seconds behind.  When he looks up, even though they
are directly in front of him, he is unable to see them.

So the nutshell is there may be some connection to UFO abductions, though
the manner in which they attempt an explanation seems to be one of those
wild tangents that Movie Moguls like to take.

The movie is apparently scheduled for a Jan 93 release.

Rick Pavek
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Intruders
Date: 21 May 92 13:56:00 GMT

So....

What'd y'all think of Intruders? I thought it was excellent, perhaps the
best fictional vehicle for informing the public on this issue that's ever
come along. I was leary of the fact that it had been fictionalized, but
Tracy and his collaborator did an excellent job. I was very impressed with
the no-nonsense tenor of the production, and I think the message of "THIS
IS A GENUINE PROBLEM" came through loud and clear. Something tells me the
impact of this mini-series will be far greater than that of the movie
"Communion" (which is as it should be).

Jim

--
Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: [e-mail] (Ray Maurer)
Subject: Abduction
Date: 21 May 92 22:58:00 GMT

I am working with a young female abductee who is scared to death to go
to sleep at night. Has anyone come accross a method of stopping an
abduction? Or does anyone have a suggestion on what I should tell her
to calm her down. She is at that age (23) when the abductions are
coming fairly frequently. Advise is welcome. Thanks    Ray

--
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From: [e-mail] (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Intruders
Date: 22 May 92 02:08:00 GMT

Hi Jim,

I was intrigued by the part where the scientist talked about the nasal
implant and its characteristics.  Any truth to any of that?  i was not
aware
that an implant had been found and studied.

Thanks,

Linda

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ralph Toscano)
Subject: Re: Intruders
Date: 22 May 92 22:54:00 GMT

Hi Jim:

On the whole I thought the mini series was well done. However, the
ending was sort of "corny"... "Somewhere out there is my niece"...
gimme a break!... I felt strong anti-government overtones... perhaps
this will lead people to the realization that something IS going on
here!... Let's hope that the rumors of an Oliver Stone UFO flick are
legit!!....

Best Regards - Ralph

--
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From: [e-mail] (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: CUFOSJ
Date: 22 May 92 06:46:00 GMT


 > am pleased to see someone has finally done the necessary
 > research instead of dismissing the testable hypothesis out of
 > hand. If a thorough investigation now shows that FPP is not the
 > broad answer, although they allow it is strongly suggested as
 > the answer for some abductions, I am now ready to move on to

Keith,

I think you should be congratulated on all the research you have been
doing on the FFP. Even if it is "NOT the broad answer" to all
abductions, there is definitely something in it - I don't think FFP
should be simply dismissed as "non starter". This is non-scientific
and reminds me of a number of individuals, I had spoken to in the
past, (some of them  were scientist, doctors etc.) and who perhaps
read only one (probably the worst kind) book on UFOs and said  "there
is nothing in it - UFOs are a bunch of nonsence".

I have had oportunity to interview people, some of them simply
reporting a UFO sighting, whose imagination (and FFP) was working
overtime. Actually I used to know a few "regulars" who would call me
at least once a month and report more UFO sightings. I even knew a
"UFO researcher" who had at least 3 or 4 UFO sightings a day. If this
is not FFP I don't know what is it.

--
Vladimir Godic - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: [e-mail] (Pony Godic)
Subject: Re: Abduction Theory?
Date: 24 May 92 03:01:00 GMT


  PG>  their memories of cumbersome intruments and confusing alien
  PG>  procedures would be considered implausible and so other explanations
  PG>  would be sought.


 > I had to potchkey somewhat with the natives, AND I knew I
 > couldn't completely erase their memory of the experience, I
 > would do the next best thing: flood them with disinformation.
 > Create a scenario in their minds that was so implausible that
 > when they got around to telling their story to the masses, no
 > one would believe them. I think the entire genetic engineering
 > charade is just that - an intricate mask for their real
 > purposes. What those are, I wouldn't even presume to guess.

Thanks for your reply Jim, I agree with you.  Sometimes I wonder if
we're really being coaxed and prodded towards a particular objective.
Originally we were teased intellectually by UFO flaps, now we're
being teased by an abduction flap.  I can't help feeling that what is
remembered may be accidentally on purpose.  Consequently, I wonder if
this is all a big intelligence test.  If that's so, then we've got
all the pieces we just haven't figured out how to put them together.
Of course, I say this in the spirit of debate.  I honestly, have no
idea what's going on, but it sure is titilating.   I suppose the one
thing that can be said for certain is that if you are going to go to
the trouble of crossing X number of light years of space, you'd have
to be coming here for something very important.  Of course, the
interest may be purely clinical, e.g. documenting our demise.

Cheers
Pony

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Intruders
Date: 24 May 92 17:10:00 GMT

-THE- Ralph Toscano? Where have YOU been hiding?

As to the ending being corny, well, sometimes corny is appropriate...
Yes, an Oliver Stone flick would be just the thing, but I don't think we're
going to hear anything about it until the dust settles from "JFK". I
wouldn't want him to scuttle his credibility prematurely. Certainly an event
of that type is needed, though, in fact it may be the ONLY thing that can
light a fire under people at this point.

Good to hear from you again.

Jim

--
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Salts)
Subject: Abduction Theory?
Date: 27 May 92 06:11:05 GMT

Hello Pony!

16 May 92, Pony Godic writes to All:


 PG> The following is not an attempt at an actualy theory, but does attempt to
 PG> make sense of abductions by making some observations and asking some
 PG> questions that may not have been asked before.

 PG> As far as I know, no-one has looked at abductions within the context of
 PG> the current status of this planet.  The world is suffering political
 PG> turmoil and, certainly, this is a variation on the theme that has
 PG> stretched throughout our recorded history and before. Nevertheless, there
 PG> are elements in the current world situation that have never existed
 PG> before. These are overpopulation resulting in the environmental pressures
 PG> of forest clearing and pollution of the air, water and soil.

 PG> In this context, is it possible that aliens are monitoring us to determine
 PG> the impact of such factors on our physical and reproductive as well as
 PG> mental health?

 PG> Perhaps abductees are subject to charade type manipulations when they are
 PG> taken for examination.  Perhaps the seeming clumsiness of the medical exam
 PG> and the medical instruments used are nothing more than a blind behind
 PG> which samples are nevertheless taken and an ongoing evaluation made.  If
 PG> the subject should recall the abduction, then their memories of cumbersome
 PG> intruments and confusing alien procedures would be considered implausible
 PG> and so other explanations would be sought.

 PG> Implants may seem the most unbelievable aspect of abductions, but perhaps
 PG> the implant the subject is shown, often theatrically, and what is actually
 PG> implanted are very different.  Surely, if an alien race are sophisticated
 PG> enough to cross space and get here, they are sophisticated enough to have
 PG> a very sound knowledge of our technology. In old sci fi movies, knowledge
 PG> of our language, technology and social structure were explained
 PG> rather quaintly by alien intercepton of our radio and television
 PG> transmissions. Today, I don't think it implausible to suggest the
 PG> possibility of aliens tapping into our computer networks.  If this is
 PG> happening on an ongoing basis, then aliens would know everything from the
 PG> individual defence status of each nation, to the current level of our
 PG> medical technology.  Armed with such knowledge, it may be possible to
 PG> implant sampling devices that could not be traced by our current level of
 PG> technology.

 PG> I draw your attention to nasal implants.  If you were interested in
 PG> determining the types and levels of impurities that we were inhaling and
 PG> measuring their impact on our physical health, then a nasal implant would
 PG> be the medium.  Of course, other implant sites occur, but with the
 PG> application of the above reasoning, they may all be explainable.

 PG> If aliens are monitoring us in relation to the degredation of our world
 PG> environment, then they must have onworld bases.  I don't think it
 PG> implausible, when discussing something as wild as this, to suggest that
 PG> our deepest oceans would provide excellent sites.  On land, there are
 PG> deserts and both the poles. But, to move from place to place, alien space
 PG> ships would have to be invisible in all senses. (Certain sightings do
 PG> involve seemingly miraculous appearances and disappearances.)  If aliens
 PG> have the technology to get here, then they may have the technology to
 PG> render themselves invisible.

 PG> Assuming alien bases exist, and that our computer networks are monitored
 PG> from them, then surely aliens would possess very sound knowledge on us.

 PG> But why?

 PG> Well, perhaps they are simply documenting our decline with the same
 PG> philosophical resignation as we document the decline of individual species
 PG> here on Earth.  Perhaps they are interested in whether the pollution here
 PG> is resulting in a downgrading in our fertility.  Or perhaps they are
 PG> interested in what reproductive mutations it will lead to.  Perhaps
 PG> abductees are not shown human/alien hybrids, but reproductive experiments
 PG> using mutated reproductive cells from male and female humans.

 PG> One thing that would be explained by all of the above is the phenomena of
 PG> repeater abductees.  If you are monitoring, then you would take
 PG> individuals and examine them periodically.  If you wished to determine the
 PG> psychological impact of the decline of mother Earth on humans, then
 PG> perhaps you would show replays of fictional catastrophies, relating that
 PG> they were the result of shortsightedness.

 PG> Of course, if we are being monitored, then maybe it's not entirely
 PG> dispassionate.  Perhaps the aliens are trying to determine whether or when
 PG> they would intervene.

 PG> I'm not saying that I believe any of the above and certainly realize that
 PG> all I'm doing is exercising my imagination and stretching your
 PG> credibility. Nevertheless, the above would fit the "facts" and, in the
 PG> spirit of intelligent debate, I invite discussion.

Hi, Pony,

I'm new to Paranet and I have a thought or two on your subject.  I am writing
this late at night so I'll be brief.

Contrary to "stretching my credibility", I LOVE to talk about wild things!
They stretch my mind and I enjoy that!

My theory: I believe THEY are using this earth and us humans as a resource
center for THEIR own needs.  THEY have no wish to contact us directly and
publicly for reasons that I'll say just now are obvious.  I can talk later on
those if there is interest.  THEY may have certain biological problems (as per
Hopkins' researches) that THEY need us for without disturbing our culture with
knowledge of THEIR presence.

Best regards,

Richard

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ralph Toscano)
Subject: Re: I'm Baaack!!!
Date: 26 May 92 19:10:00 GMT

Hi Jim;

Yes, I'm back... I needed to get away from this UFO thing for
awhile...after my experiences with Lear and then the stuff with Moore,
I was about to "lose it".... We'll have to chat about this stuff
privately sometime... I hope all is well with you..resturaunt..your
book,(still writing one I hope)?... I've been getting involved with the
abduction phenomena lately... lots of credible folks out there, pretty
scary stuff... Hope we can chat soon.

Best Regards - Ralph ("THE")

--
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Intruders
Date: 17 May 92 22:46:00 GMT

Hi Linda, thanks for posting that piece on the TV movie "Intruders."
I wonder what impact this is going to have? We will wait and see.

--
Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: [e-mail]


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